TELLURIDE – One-hundred years ago the San Juan Mountains were populated by tens of thousands of people living all throughout the ranges. The transportation and supply infrastructures to support these populations were better back then than they are today, and they supported far greater numbers of people.
Forty years ago, Senior Mahoney, Johnny Stevens and a few others had a vision of Telluride Ski Area which harkened back to a full San Juan Range scope and scale such as the miners had. In recent decades those of us who have skied the San Juan backcountry and have traveled the interconnect systems in Europe have often dreamt of what an interconnect system might look like right here in the San Juans.
Following is an outline of a vision that I shared with Dave Riley and Chuck Horning in 2009. It’s as possible as it is audacious. It was well received at Telski. I humbly offer this bold plan now to your readership. I encourage readers to pull out their maps and open their imaginations. Read this well and with vision. I look forward to a live presentation of the idea in public forum in the near future.
The San Juan Range Interconnect The proposed San Juan Range Interconnect is a transportation system comprised of rail, road, mining tunnels and chairlifts encircling the Western San Juan Mountain Range. One hundred years ago, an interconnect system comprised of railway, stagecoach and mine tunnels serviced industry and commerce throughout the San Juan Mountain Range. While the auto routes have been improved, the railroads and mine tunnels have largely been abandoned.
An extraordinary opportunity now presents itself. By revitalizing the rail right of way and tying in with auto routes, chairlifts and mining tunnels, an interconnect system unprecedented in the Americas could be realized.
Rail: This idea is modeled after classical ski industry interconnect systems of the Alps in which rail transportation plays a central role. Revitalizing the Galloping Goose Rail right of way as a modern light rail system is central to the San Juan model. Modern rail connecting Silverton, Durango, Dolores, Rico and Telluride is possible due to the existing rail right of way. New rail linking Telluride, Ridgway and Ouray could make a San Juan loop nearly complete.
Mine Tunnels and Chairlifts: Two significant mining tunnels exist which if brought online would bring Ouray and Red Mountain Pass into the system, thus completing the loop. The first presently existing tunnel connects the Telluride Idarado Mine with the Camp Bird Mine above Ouray. Transporting skiers and tourists to a Camp Bird based chair lift system via this existing tunnel would expand the Telluride Ski Area into the Mount Sneffles range vicinity. Lifts from Camp Bird could access Governor, Yankee Boy and Marshall Basins, potentially reaching as far as Imogene Pass.
The second presently existing and functional tunnel utilized in this plan runs from the Telluride Idarado Mine to the Red Mountain Pass Idarado Mine. A lift system based at the Idarado/Red Mountain facility could access all of Red Mountain Pass. To the east, this includes Red Mountains One, Two and Three, Cement Creek, Prospect Basin and skier access as far as Silverton Ski Area. To the west, this includes, Commodore Basin, Black Bear Pass, Tri-Co, Telluride and No-Name Peaks, Black Bear Pass and a tie-in with Imogene Pass.
With the addition of one lift rising out of Ouray, skier access between Silverton,
Telluride, Ouray, Red Mountain Pass and the Sneffles Range is accomplished.
Other Chairlifts: To complete the Interconnect System, a series of chairlifts is built within a perimeter bound by Silverton, Molas Pass, Durango Mountain Resort, Rico and Telluride. One lift from Silverton rises to the south rim above South Mineral Creek. This provides access to miles of North facing terrain in South Mineral. A second lift rises from South Mineral high into Ice lakes Basin. Ice lakes basin alone is world class above tree line bowl and chute skiing, and it provides access to Trout Lake and Ophir Pass. Another lift reaches into the Grand Turk and Sultan vicinity. This would open astounding pitches of up to 4,000 vertical feet and bring skiers within reach of Molas Pass. Yet another lift departs Durango Mountain Resort towards Molas pass accomplishing a tie-in with the Silverton area system. From Durango Mountain area another lift goes towards Scotch or Barlow Creeks near Rico. A commensurate lift rises from Rico to meet the Durango Mountain lift. In this way Rico and Durango Mountain are effectively connected. Final lifts from Trout Lake and Ophir Pass complete an unprecedented interconnect with Telluride as the commercial epicenter.
In this model no lifts are proposed within the Ophir valley itself.
Collaboration – Public and Private: The above described interconnect is no pipe dream. It is not only feasible but perhaps necessary for long-term sustainability and growth of the economies of Telluride, the surrounding region and the state of Colorado. The economic and societal implications for town, region and state are untold. This plan fuels the next tourism, real estate and general economic boom for Southwest Colorado, and indeed, the state. It further is an unprecedented model in North America which would revolutionize the North American ski industry
Collaboration between private and public sector and residents of the regional communities is required to realize this plan. Intergovernmental cooperation is required at township, county, state and federal levels.
Public works projects, such as a rail interconnect of this scope, historically have succeeded in America during times of economic duress. Numerous national highway and rail projects requiring collaboration between public and private sector were all accomplished by the Works Projects Administration during the Great Depression. In this way economic incentive funds may be available. If properly presented, to all levels of government, funding and support from all levels may be achieved.
This having been said, a viable interconnect is possible without the rail link. Current highways combined with chairlifts and mining tunnels will suffice. However, the revitalized historic rail loop would be a worldwide tourism draw, a four-season insured transportation system, a sustainability coup, an environmentalists dream come true, a construction industry juggernaut and would fuel a regional real estate boom, all of unprecedented proportions.
The scope of such projects can be viewed as the largest regional economic engine since the mining boom.
Private sector collaboration also is required to realize the interconnect. The primary business relationship to be forged is that of Telski and the Idarado Mining Company. The Camp Bird and Red Mountain Pass mining tunnels are pivotal links in the interconnect. To my knowledge, both tunnels are serviceable at this time. It is not insurmountable to upgrade such tunnels to service tourism and transportation, as is done to great success in Italy and Switzerland. Idarado stands to realize a permanent income stream from the current defunct mines. Telski can be the catalyst that brings the town, the mine and the ski area into a long-term mutually beneficial collaboration such as has never been accomplished to date.
Obstruction versus Opportunity: Though the interconnect idea is not new, the founders of Telluride ski area had it in their long term ideals, we rarely hear it discussed. The scope of the idea could be considered daunting to the point of being unreasonable. This plan obviously has many obstructions and could take a lifetime to come to fruition if at all. However, no great plan has ever succeeded by saying “It can’t be done.” Perceived legal, physical, monetary and other obstructions should all be seen as opportunities for great industrious work for lawyers, engineers and fundraisers. The timing may now be ripe for this concept to seriously discussed and implemented.
If Telski leadership promotes an undaunted visionary perspective every apparent difficulty can be seen as fueling more jobs, work, industry and opportunity. Until the current leadership, no owner of the Telluride ski resort has embraced this visionary stance. Those of us in the community who have dreamed of the possibility rarely gave it voice. We haven’t had the leadership to rally behind to date. From the management perspective I have heard the corollary view.
I believe the San Juan Interconnect to be an idea which can galvanize all camps public and private, industry and preservationist, local, regional and national behind one visionary endeavor. I believe it can yield highest and best use of public and private lands, and that it will produce prosperity and benefit for all parties, and that it will do so for generations to come.
Preliminary Implementation: The timing today may be ideal for preliminary implementation of such a plan. Telski currently has visionary ownership and management. The United States Forest Service has requested a new Master Plan be drafted for the ski area. Regional redevelopment and master planning for future economic and environmental sustainability is an up and coming issue. Federal funds for economic revitalization and infrastructure development may be available. If a draft of this idea were included in the new Telluride Ski Area Master Plan the concept would officially be put forward at the federal level. This would be notice for all concerned. It would spur the process of realizing such a vision, and it would secure Telski as the originator and catalyst of this unprecedented plan.
This far, no more!
Telluride will sooon be known as a home for conservationists...
Ski boy, move to Park City..where concrete and lifts and ski served mountains are everywhere.
Yes, absent these issues, a wonderful guy!
You guys, for the most part, have done a nice job keeping the drunks, and rage-aholics, off this post; the conversations are all quite good.
You live in Telluride if you like to ski; if you prefer to be a strict conservationist, perhaps Telluride is not the place for you.
I looked at the Google Earth satellite photos of the area (which are very cool by the way) and here are thousands of acres of pure-virgin wilderness just behind Telluride; I think it would be cool to have a tram or gondola that would access those areas, as, personally, I like Euro-style skiing where you make one run a day, which, is more of a "nature" experience, in my opinion, than going up and down the same chairlift all day.
By the way; Dave is in it for the great skiing, he is not a real estate developer looking to make a fast buck. If you would take the time to get to know Dave Riley personally, you might actually like him; he is very accessable and kind to people from all walks of life.
Again, thank you for self-regulating this site, and keeping the drunks off of it. Good job.
Maybe "Before" is referring to "Before" Porspect expansion when we could legally hike Palmyra. Maybe s/he and I skied it together back then. I dunno because "before" is not a real name. I encourage using your real name before readers discount your input for not signing your name.
Ban the quality food at a lower price and lets just eat what the man serves at whatever price he deigns.
Yes, lets have our lifties be college kids and pay em $9 an hour...or 8$..
Yes, lets just ignore the rule of law and build lift 7 to whatever we want! We can use 250k in public money to get there!
Yes, lets continue to increase the difference between wealthy and poor workers here in Telluride but make sure we throw in affordable housing...
Yes, lets put Dave in charge of Bear Creek! Currently we are all in charge of our hikes and skiing in and out of BC..I can see how putting Dave in charge will really help things! Clear as a bell!
Yes, Lets Build Hot Beds! Here, there, everywhere! Ignore the fact that he could have bought the Peaks for 20mm ....had to crack up, roll on floor laughing when it was converted to condo/rentals..WTF? Hot beds? Oops!
Yes, lets have the pirate land guy beat ol dave to the punch on BC!.! Talk about prescient leadership!
Yes, lets not include public input on pricing...what was it, the quote about "margins" not on the table...
OK, call me a sheep, I can see how this guy should be in charge of my back country experience...
The guy is the first real skier CEO this resort has ever had. Allred wasn't a skier, it was all about selling homesites to second homeowners.
Seems you may have a bias against the guy because he likes to add lift served terrain. Obviously, that is his passion.
Right?
It has everything to do with trusting Riley.
Can he be trusted to look out for anything but his own hand? If you can't answer this ask a former liftie or a cart owner.
This is about how we govern ourselves, our wildspaces. It is about someone closing the gate for their convenience and hand.
Is it not true that if you want to ski pow at 8am all you have to do is join the rich man's club? Why wait for 9am like the peasants?
Just another reason to keep Bear Creek Wild and Free Forever.
However, I believe it's fair to say that Bear Creek is a lot closer to wilderness than is it to being industrialized in it's present state. Moreover, I believe it would be fair to say that Bear Creek -- in it's birthday suit -- is one of the more unique areas on this planet. If this is the case, then maybe, just maybe, the HIGHEST AND BEST USE of Bear Creek is to preserve one of the world's crown jewels from taking a path away from it's natural state and into the industrialized world.
Yes, it is an industry with a mechanized infrastructure. You simply can't put enough words together in any given order to escape this fact.
As to the list of "controversial" development projects in town which were approved: granted any particular project in and of itself wasn't like plopping the empire state building down in the middle of the town, but they all did push the envelope and some have set precendents individually. More importantly, there has been a cumulative impact which probably contributed to the real estate market going in overdrive to a certain extent. I'm sure more people were willing to invest in the real estate market with a new post office, library, pavillion, performing arts center/fly tower, wider sidewalks, new and faster lifts, etc. ... since it conveyed a sense of the town being "finished" (or at least closer). In the same sense, a lift into Bear Creek will just be another step outward for a greater footprint.
I have zero claim to any direct source of absolute "truth", but I know what I know when I see it ... and the industrialization of Bear Creek would not be the highest and best use of this precious and unique area we're lucky to have in our backyard.
Sometimes what is an extreme position in the view of some people (global warming deniers, for example) is actually a statement of truth (global warming is real). The issue is binary thinking and here is why: In advancing a position, partisans tend to overstate costs and benefits of a proposal. For example, it is binary to argue that expansion into Bear Creek would "industrialize" an unspoiled area. This dramatically overstates the cost, and is a not-so-subtle effort to intimidate those who might enjoy riding a lift in Bear Creek into silence. So, too, it would overstate the benefits to suggest that lift-served skiing in Bear Creek would be an economic panacea, although I don't believe anyone has made that argument.
Instead of nuanced thinking about the true costs and benefits of a proposal, we get a distorted argument that inhibits us from reaching a good decision, and may even make it impossible.
As it happens, most of the distortion in Telluride is to overstate adverse impacts in order to stop things. The Capella is SO TALL IT WILL RUIN MOUNTAIN VILLAGE!!! Same problem with the FLY TOWER AT THE TELLURIDE HIGH SCHOOL!!! If we permit a bar at the Hotel Telluride, drunks will stand on the hotel balcony LEERING AT STUDENTS on the playing fields. Expansion into Prospect Basin won't work because it is SO FLAT NOBODY WILL SKI THERE!!!! If the we had approved the Idarado Annexation, the TOWN WOULD HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BY THOUSANDS of TRUCKS DURING CONSTRUCTION!!! And so on.
Now we're hearing that lifts in Upper Bear Creek would FORCE THE CLOSURE OF THE STEEPS! And it would RUIN THE BACK COUNTRY EXPERIENCE!!! It would INDUSTRIALIZE the wilderness!!!
Anyone with a sense of recent local history should be able to discount this hysteria. Because that is exactly what it is. Hysteria, fueled by admittedly sincere passion for the backcountry, leads to binary thinking that erodes our ability to think rationally.
Truth is not necessarily in the middle of every argument. Allegedly extreme positions can be the right positions. But binary thinking is helpful only in the world of software.
And I dont understand how a lift in upper BC leads to "so long backcountry experience". If you've been back there then you know this would get you more access to additional back country.
I believe those who fall in the latter camp are simply more easily able to overlook what is clearly a large unnatural artifact in the midst of what is almost entirely what nature has setup without the aid of human beings. I believe this is a product of living in a day and age where you can get into a car or airplane and travel to large metropolises which are almost exclusively artificial. Of course a ski lift will look OK (and even beautiful) as a relative comparison to a typical view in NYC.
Some people's tolerances are different, but the bottom line is that once it goes in, the industry has expanded into an area which had otherwise not seen such an encroachment in the past & it won't be going away. Moreover, I believe the majority of people DO in fact notice the steel chairlifts & some people find them intolerable given the alternative which currently exists.
Let's put it this way, if this were a war and the chairlift were a sniper ... the sniper would be dead due to revealing it's position. It's noticeable. This is a fact. You simply just can't say it's not so and have it be that way.
But, in fact, there is a whole range of possibilities in the middle for how terrain can be opened up to skiers and managed. I believe anyone who envisions lift served skiing in Upper Bear Creek is someplace in the middle in their thinking: yes to the visual impact of lifts, as this is tolerable; but no to major tree removal or grading or other types of construction.
In some of these posters' minds it seems like everything Riley does must have nefarious motives, which makes me think they are not offering rational views. The guy is not the antichrist.
In my humble (and sober) opinion, I actually think ski areas mesh very well with the natural environment. The only real impact is visual. I'm willing to accept looking at the chairlifts and dispursed restaurants in order to enjoy a great ski area.